August 15, 2005

 an alien in jesusland

frosty's memorial service was this afternoon.

it was in a church, as most memorial services are, i suppose. as a general rule, churches and i don't really get along. i always end up zoning out during the preaching. i never feel any emotion except for awkwardness. i feel out of place, insecure, and the whole congregational recitation in unison thing freaks me out, too.

church is not a comfortable place for me to be.

so i was glad that there was a small portion of today's service that was specifically devoted to remembering frosty's life. funny stories of his quirks and his manner. i got teary as i smiled at those memories.

but then the psalms and the verses started up again, and i just sat there, waiting for it to be over.

i feel bad saying this. i want to respect frosty's beliefs and say i walked away from the service with more peace and less sorrow over our loss... but i can't say that. i also want to remember this service as a wonderful experience. and in truth, part of it was -- but for me there was just too much church.

i'm curious to know whether there exists any kind of congregation where there is no mention of god, or jesus, or any kind of saviour. where people, in a situation like this, just come together and talk and share stories and laugh and cry and console each other without the word of god floating about. that's the kind of church for me -- a godless one.

i myself would have gotten much more out of a ceremony like that. i understand that there are hundreds of people that were helped and comforted by today's service, but unfortunately i was not one of them.

Posted by xta at August 15, 2005 5:49 PM | TrackBack
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i tried a unitarian church awhile back, it's more of a "pray to whom it may concern" kinda church. it was okay... i didn't really bond with it though. i'm not a church person either, though it's jesus name that really gets under my skin. i'd rather skip the middle man and go right to the source. jesus is not my homeboy.

Posted by: joy at August 15, 2005 6:11 PM

i wonder what a quaker funeral would be like. i'm guessing it would go a lot easier on the god than the average church service.

phil once told me that only about 60% of quakers consider themselves to be christians.

Posted by: lisa at August 15, 2005 6:52 PM

Sure, plenty, but maybe not in the South... now, if you'll just c'mon out to California, we've got something for everyone in the department of ceremonies and spiritual services. Might involve crystals instead of psalms...and chanting is chanting, no matter what they're saying, eh?

Posted by: at August 15, 2005 7:33 PM

Lisa -- good memory!

I've been to just one Quaker funeral. It was much like any Quaker meeting -- lots of quiet, and people saying what they feel moved by the spirit to say. Sometimes that's scripture. Sometimes it's a rememberance. Sometimes it's something else.

Posted by: Phil at August 15, 2005 11:07 PM

I am an alien in jesusland too - a little different though...

Posted by: John Boy at August 16, 2005 8:52 AM

I was thinking Unitarian as well. They are more into "Service to your Fellow Man" which seems like a good thing to me. I actually learned about the Unitarian church from a character in a book - called LIFE BEFORE MAN by Margaret Atwood. It's not actually about the church - but one of the characters belongs.
When my mom dies, she wants me to BLAST "Spirit in the Sky" and she insists that everyone sing along and dance, at her funeral.
She has told me this my whole life - consequently I have never been able to listen to that song without getting teary.

Posted by: Gidge at August 16, 2005 9:00 AM

I'm sorry to hear about your co-worker, Christa.

The God/Jesus thing is what I hate about funerals/memorial services, too.

The Unitarians don't care if you believe in god or not, but you sort of have to believe in something ... my issue is that I just don't believe, period--I'm not at all spiritual. When someone's dead they are dead, and a service should be to remember them, not to pray for them. And there should be beer.

Posted by: Lisa B at August 16, 2005 10:13 AM

I've been thinking about you over the last few days. I really like this post but I am sorry that you are still sad. (I can understand it of course but wish there was something I could do to make it better.)

I agree with Lisa B in that once someone is dead, they are dead. Whatever is going to happen (afterlife or not) has most likely already happened for them. Sometimes silence is really the best way to honor someone, I think. That, or a really awesome funeral pyre floating in the middle of a lake while someone plays bagpipes in the distance.

Posted by: Susan at August 16, 2005 11:25 AM

I too feel uncomfortable in church because obviously the people are getting something from it, and I don't. Plus, the idea of someone I like standing before someone in a judgement day finale creeps me the heck out.

I'm glad you got to remember Frosty in other ways as well, with stories.

Posted by: Becky at August 16, 2005 3:05 PM

I go back and forth on the issue myself. I'm trying to figure out a way to be spiritual without all the dogma and I'm not totally willing to toss aside the religion I was brought up with (Catholic) because it's so tied in with my history and my connection to my family. At funeral time though, I actually do really appreciate religion. I appreciate that when there's a death there's a way to honor the deceased without the grieving family having to figure it all out from scratch...it's almost automatic. It gives you mental space to deal with the grief. That's my two cents.

Posted by: lainey at August 16, 2005 5:51 PM

that was exactly how I felt at my aunt's funeral. Except that there was nothing said about her as a person. The minister barely even mentioned her name. All he wanted to talk about was Jesus. The only part of the funeral that related to my aunt was the memory board with photos outside the chapel.

Posted by: Sarah at August 16, 2005 10:04 PM

... oh and the dead body.

Posted by: Sarah at August 16, 2005 10:05 PM

Hold your own wake/ceremony/whatever. Do what feels right. But going to a church doesn't imply belief on your part -- like vegetarians shopping at a grocery store with a meat department, you just don't pick up what you don't want.

Posted by: Joseph H. VIlas at August 17, 2005 7:26 PM

Hey! (raising hand) I've been out of town -- but I just wanna say - I'm a Unitarian! My church is humanist based, not christ based and it's okay if you believe in NOTHING. As long as you believe in being good to the people around you and the earth -- and yourself.
K gets irritated sometimes with the whole lack of GOD thing but it's working for us and our kids...
some congregations are a little different than others but you could always pick up a library book or two about it...

I'm only sayin.

Posted by: blackbird at August 20, 2005 9:20 PM
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